Wiggys Shrink

MsRebecca

Trick-or-Treat Hair
Also, is there any good reason for me to suspect Wiggy lies about his "shrink"? Its been bothering me for years...
1) how would he still be so nuts?
2) whats his actual diagnosis?
3) WHO goes three times a week?
4) psychiatrists prescribe, not give intensive therapy
5) he never includes "seeing his psychiatrist" when detailing his schedule, only as a preface to a bit
6) he has changed the explanation for why he goes depending on what he needs the reference for...
7) hes a known pathological liar
I could go on and on, but I'm just wondering what you think.
 

Fillmore/Hydrox

Who me? I’m 6’10” pal!
@ARM 's contention is that he was court ordered to see a shrink as part of his divorce settlement, which I also think is quite likely.

However, I don't believe he's ever been 112% honest with the shrinks he's had, which can lead to misdiagnoses. It also means it's turned him into an even more neurotic little closet homo than he already was, and he just uses psychiatric buzzwords on guests without really understanding the words, and without listening to the guests or caring what they have to say.

What he suffers from allows him to think he knows better than anybody else about any subject, and when he's challenged, he can't handle it. He has the emotional stability and intelligence of a 2 year old.

So my guess is, he stopped seeing a shrink years ago but claims he still does so he can use it as some kind of bulletproof vest to ward off any shrapnel he gets ftom any negative publicity. "Hey, man... I know I'm fucked up but I'm trying to get better."

No, he's not; he will always hate himself and others. No amount of therapy will cure him.
 

Skipnoid

I'm smart ... Not like people say.
The RG OG's
Also, is there any good reason for me to suspect Wiggy lies about his "shrink"? Its been bothering me for years...
1) how would he still be so nuts?
2) whats his actual diagnosis?
3) WHO goes three times a week?
4) psychiatrists prescribe, not give intensive therapy
5) he never includes "seeing his psychiatrist" when detailing his schedule, only as a preface to a bit
6) he has changed the explanation for why he goes depending on what he needs the reference for...
7) hes a known pathological liar
I could go on and on, but I'm just wondering what you think.
Your AV! :rofl:
 

Skipnoid

I'm smart ... Not like people say.
The RG OG's
Also, is there any good reason for me to suspect Wiggy lies about his "shrink"? Its been bothering me for years...
1) how would he still be so nuts?
2) whats his actual diagnosis?
3) WHO goes three times a week?
4) psychiatrists prescribe, not give intensive therapy
5) he never includes "seeing his psychiatrist" when detailing his schedule, only as a preface to a bit
6) he has changed the explanation for why he goes depending on what he needs the reference for...
7) hes a known pathological liar
I could go on and on, but I'm just wondering what you think.
And oh yeah ...
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cyclone

a man who's all euro trash confident!
Also, is there any good reason for me to suspect Wiggy lies about his "shrink"? Its been bothering me for years...
1) how would he still be so nuts?
2) whats his actual diagnosis?
3) WHO goes three times a week?
4) psychiatrists prescribe, not give intensive therapy
5) he never includes "seeing his psychiatrist" when detailing his schedule, only as a preface to a bit
6) he has changed the explanation for why he goes depending on what he needs the reference for...
7) hes a known pathological liar
I could go on and on, but I'm just wondering what you think.

Great post, and welcome!

I'm sure he's lied about several aspects of his therapy. I'm equally sure he's told several lies to his therapist. And I'm sure you're right, and he doesn't go much, if at all, these days. Maybe he's in the "tune-up" phase, where he just goes if a traumatic event occurs (because he's so cured :rolleyes:), like his wife refusing to play the name game, telling him she doesn't like him, and hanging up on him.

He's worse now than when he started. Much worse.

The thing I want to focus on is how he's weaponized his therapy. Fillmore hit on a lot of it. I'd like to bring up another aspect, using two specific examples.

Remember when Ronnie made his Ronnie-esque engagement party speech? The "Let's keep it the same!" speech? While Howard was shaming Ronnie about it, he claimed his therapist couldn't believe it, and was very emotional about it.

First off, NO therapist would react the way Howard claimed his therapist reacted (emotionally incredulous) towards that speech, especially a Freudian/non-directive therapist like Howard's. It's all "and how did that make you feel?", not "OMG, WHAT WAS HE DOING?!? OH, THE HUMANITY!!!".

Howard was just trying to put a "Ronnie's officially crazy" stamp on his shaming of him.

Secondly, any therapist worth his salt, who knew the inner workings of Howard and Beth's mockery of a retarded horrorshow relationship, would be MAKING Ronnie's speech to Howard.

The second thing is when Howard declared that his therapist told him that he was no longer allowed to talk about Artie. First off, what a mind-fuck for Artie! Secondly, no therapist would tell someone to stop talking about a problem/emotional topic. Well, maybe something truly traumatic, like abuse they weren't ready to talk about, but not an employee on smack.

If any aspect of that was true, it was probably that the therapist told Howard he was enabling Artie, and Howard kept trying to change the therapist's mind, and give him the "what you're doing is ok" stamp of approval, and the therapist wouldn't do it.

If that's true, how diabolical does that make Howard? Lying to his therapist, lying to his bro, trying to get his therapist to ok his exploitation of his bro, then shaming the bro when the therapist wouldn't.

Marone!

It's all speculation, obviously, but it's got to be closer to the truth than what Howard was spewing.

More than anything, Howard used, and still uses, his (past) therapy as an all-pervasive, nameless, faceless, "checkmate" weapon, and it's always to shame another person.

Howard runs on marbles and shame. Everything in his life boils down to those two things.

"My therapist said......." is (or was) the new and improved "we got a lot of e-mails about........".
 

reno

Poster of the year 1929
A shrink in Manhattan wouldn't be cheap. at least 400 bucks a pop. Mr. Marbles isn't paying 1200 a week.
 

ScottBaiosPenis

THE THREAD KEEPER
Yeah i thibk he loves the attention and talking about him self. I think he confabultes and bull shits the shrink, i think he goes so much bc he literally has no real human relationships (friends) everyone including his wife is on the pay roll but hes also terrified of them knowing the "real" Howard so my guess he is a profoundly lonely guy and the shrink is literally his only human contact that is no completely superficial
 

Honkey Donkey

AKA Hoakey Dokey - Half Man / Half Jackelope
The RG OG's
Also, is there any good reason for me to suspect Wiggy lies about his "shrink"? Its been bothering me for years...
1) how would he still be so nuts?
2) whats his actual diagnosis?
3) WHO goes three times a week?
4) psychiatrists prescribe, not give intensive therapy
5) he never includes "seeing his psychiatrist" when detailing his schedule, only as a preface to a bit
6) he has changed the explanation for why he goes depending on what he needs the reference for...
7) hes a known pathological liar
I could go on and on, but I'm just wondering what you think.
I love your Beth avatar.
 

MsRebecca

Trick-or-Treat Hair
Aww.. I am so excited to interact with my new Stern hating BFFs. Thank you so much for the warm welcome, and for giving me a reason to listen to Howie Stern again. With all the craziness in the world, this is a fun break. Like a cyber water cooler surrounded with funny people you always agree with. I'm already looking forward to what material he gives us tomorrow! And what @Bringbackjackie tweets...I'd love to hear him on the podcast! :)
 
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HOHMinator

Apprentice
I've been kinda unsure on this for a while, as Howard defiantly uses his shrink as a tool to shame others as already mentioned, and as a pretense as to how dedicated and hard he works to better self, oh please Howie...
But I could see him paying to have someone he sees as having professional to play as a personal echo-chamber.

Besides the initial court ordered therapy, I don't think hes had any sessions at a private office and that most appointments the Dr. Just visits Howard. This is the only way I could believe him seeing one as much as he claims too, but even then I wonder if he is going that much these days. If he has gained anything from therapy it would be more reinforcement to his own narcissistic behaviors and how to hide his sickness ever better. All-Though not from us ;D
 
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