Breaking News Lear Jet crashed

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“Insufficient privileges” Champ.
Triggered.

:Hahaha:
Boring. So what's new dave? I haven't seen you in a long time.
We know you're asexual, but what else is happening? Do you still like weed and doing nothing?
Do you still pretend to build ships? Making plans to meet posters irl and then chickening out?
So much must have happened since we last spoke!
 

daveindiego

Legendary legend
Boring. So what's new dave? I haven't seen you in a long time.
We know you're asexual, but what else is happening? Do you still like weed and doing nothing?
Do you still pretend to build ships? Making plans to meet posters irl and then chickening out?
So much must have happened since we last spoke!
Heavily triggered. :Hahaha:
 

Head Censor

Voice of reason
The fact that private/non-scheduled commercial planes keep falling out of the sky is why I stopped my track toward being an airline pilot. It's just too risky until you reach the pinnacle of real commercial flight.

1. Correct that she was likely not the flying pilot since she was working the radios. She was probably working the weather radar though...

2. Flying into the core of a t-storm is the very definition of pilot error

3. When you have extreme icing, all semblance of control is gone. You are officially a rock that vaguely resembles a plane. Banking that steep is likely caused by asymmetrical loss of lift. One wing had less lift so it dropped lower and induced a steep bank.

Have you ever had a bottle of water in the freezer and when you pull it out it is still liquid, but when you bang it on the counter, crystals almost instantly form? That is super-cooler water. It is below freezing but still liquid because the molecules are undisturbed. When a plane flies into those droplets, they instantly turn to ice. Next to an onboard fire at altitude, this is about the worst thing that can happen during a normal flight. She said they had precip and the temp was way below freezing. Then they turned toward more precip. Done deal.

Always very unsettling to hear the last moments before high speed dirt

All of the above.

We also need to discuss just how narrow the safe flight envelope is for a modern swept wing corporate jet at cruising altitude. The difference between overspeeding the aircraft and stalling the aircraft can sometimes be as little as fifteen or twenty knots of airspeed.

Icing on either the wings or the horizontal stabs can initially cause the aircraft to begin nosing over. In a Lear jet like this, an effect known as Mach tuck can start to appear very rapidly, further worsening the situation.

As for the girl pilot, I’m less inclined to question her chromosomal makeup, than I am to question her age and experience. Quite often, the hardest part of being an F.O. is having the confidence and the cojones to question a bad decision that is being made by the captain. And that reality holds true independent of one’s sex.

I’ll be curious to see what we might learn about the capabilities of the weather radar on that particular aircraft. Those cells can build quickly, particularly in South Florida. But this one seemed to have been established long enough for it to be avoided.
 

spin

Who me? I’m 6’10” pal!
All of the above.

We also need to discuss just how narrow the safe flight envelope is for a modern swept wing corporate jet at cruising altitude. The difference between overspeeding the aircraft and stalling the aircraft can sometimes be as little as fifteen or twenty knots of airspeed.

Icing on either the wings or the horizontal stabs can initially cause the aircraft to begin nosing over. In a Lear jet like this, an effect known as Mach tuck can start to appear very rapidly, further worsening the situation.

As for the girl pilot, I’m less inclined to question her chromosomal makeup, than I am to question her age and experience. Quite often, the hardest part of being an F.O. is having the confidence and the cojones to question a bad decision that is being made by the captain. And that reality holds true independent of one’s sex.

I’ll be curious to see what we might learn about the capabilities of the weather radar on that particular aircraft. Those cells can build quickly, particularly in South Florida. But this one seemed to have been established long enough for it to be avoided.

Why don't we wait until we find out if she had the "cajones and confidence" to question the senior officer before we blame her for his decisions?
 

Head Censor

Voice of reason
Why don't we wait until we find out if she had the "cajones and confidence" to question the senior officer before we blame her for his decisions?

I know reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit, but for the record, I haven’t blamed her for anything. I’m merely pointing out that CRM can be a critical factor in mishaps like this - and that it can affect all lesser experienced F.O.s irrespective of their gender. They turned directly into the path of a growing convective cell that had been visible to ground based wx radars for the previous 20 miles. Now that the fucking director of NASA has felt compelled to weigh in on this tragedy, I’m sure the NTSB investigation will be exceptionally thorough. We will learn more with time.
 

spin

Who me? I’m 6’10” pal!
I know reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit, but for the record, I haven’t blamed her for anything. I’m merely pointing out that CRM can be a critical factor in mishaps like this - and that it can affect all lesser experienced F.O.s irrespective of their gender. They turned directly into the path of a growing convective cell that had been visible to ground based wx radars for the previous 20 miles. Now that the fucking director of NASA has felt compelled to weigh in on this tragedy, I’m sure the NTSB investigation will be exceptionally thorough. We will learn more with time.

Yet you insinuated her age ( girl pilot?) , did you mean young woman, was partly at fault for not questioning the senior officer, when all you have is your thumb up your ass and a bias to prove.
 

spin

Who me? I’m 6’10” pal!
You implied she had balls?

I didn't, I was quoting Head Censor, hench the quotes.

As for the girl pilot, I’m less inclined to question her chromosomal makeup, than I am to question her age and experience. Quite often, the hardest part of being an F.O. is having the confidence and the cojones to question a bad decision that is being made by the captain. And that reality holds true independent of one’s sex.
 

Head Censor

Voice of reason
Yet you insinuated her age…

I didn’t “insinuate” it, I said it outright. Anytime you see a mishap like this where crew coordination is called into question, one of the things that will be even more closely scrutinized by the NTSB investigators is any significant differences in age and/or experience that may exist between the captain and the first officer.

It’s extremely rare in a fatal mishap for only one thing to have gone wrong, or only one mistake to have been made. Typically, there’s a whole series of smaller failures, in either equipment or decision making, that all have to happen in sequence for the full tragedy to unfold. If even just one of those elements can be prevented, the accident doesn’t happen. It’s often referred to as the Swiss cheese model. All the holes have to line up just right for something bad to happen. Good crew coordination prevents a thousand mishaps a day from occurring in just this manner. That’s not to say that theirs was bad on this particular day. Just that it’s something that will be looked at as closely as possible. Again, it has nothing to do with sex or race. It’s simply an examination of how likely it would have been for the more junior pilot to meaningfully challenge a potentially flawed decision that was being made by the more senior aviator.

Experience is a real thing. The more you have, the more things you’ve seen and the more confidence you’ll have to stand up for what you think is the best course of action in a particular situation.
 
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