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KingofallMessicans

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the 2nd episode in particular was especially heart wrenching....not because of anything graphic, but life just sucks. I challenge anyone to watch it and not feel empathy for either of these two guys. Including the guy shitting up the thread earlier.
I can't get myself to watch part 2. I watched part 1, and it took it's time. It was done right, about half way through it goes from dudes recalling almost happy memories, into graphic details of how a Creeper took advantage of them. I believe them, 100%. Michael Jackson was a rapist, children that age cannot consent. Watching part 2 will only piss me off more.
 

JuliotheGreasiest

An empty glass of himself shattered
I can't get myself to watch part 2. I watched part 1, and it took it's time. It was done right, about half way through it goes from dudes recalling almost happy memories, into graphic details of how a Creeper took advantage of them. I believe them, 100%. Michael Jackson was a rapist, children that age cannot consent. Watching part 2 will only piss me off more.
I think it’s important to see the aftermath of the Michael Jackson wrecking ball hitting these kids and how important it is for his apologists to realize how he ruined their lives even after he died. Listening to the phone message he left for Wade when he was 21 is disturbing and weird. I understand that it’s a hard watch, but it’s a must watch IMHO.
 

KingofallMessicans

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I think it’s important to see the aftermath of the Michael Jackson wrecking ball hitting these kids and how important it is for his apologists to realize how he ruined their lives even after he died. Listening to the phone message he left for Wade when he was 21 is disturbing and weird. I understand that it’s a hard watch, but it’s a must watch IMHO.
Damn, good points. I'll watch it, eventually.
 

Monsoon

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I saw weird stuff going on with young girls at the stable when I was a kid. This creepy fat guy had a tack shop and these little girls were doing stuff with him for horse stuff.

My friend in HS here in california was letting the disgusting old maths teacher diddle her for an A. The ugly fat red head cheerleader was doing the science teacher for perks at after school crap.

This stuff happens and kids/people lie until that lie becomes inconvenient.

**** back me up here beefus. Why was the principal bringing you lunch?

I'm watching and deciphering the body language in the MJ nonsense. The parents absolutely knew. The boys that are now adults are not lying but when I watch them as kids they are coached, they are scared and just so rehearsed.

MJ molested them.

F mutt
 

KingofallMessicans

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I saw weird stuff going on with young girls at the stable when I was a kid. This creepy fat guy had a tack shop and these little girls were doing stuff with him for horse stuff.

My friend in HS here in california was letting the disgusting old maths teacher diddle her for an A. The ugly fat red head cheerleader was doing the science teacher for perks at after school crap.

This stuff happens and kids/people lie until that lie becomes inconvenient.

**** back me up here beefus. Why was the principal bringing you lunch?

I'm watching and deciphering the body language in the MJ nonsense. The parents absolutely knew. The boys that are now adults are not lying but when I watch them as kids they are coached, they are scared and just so rehearsed.

MJ molested them.

F mutt
Yeah, and I understand why they were coached. I don't begrudge them asking for money. You can never get un-raped. We ask too much of these victims, expecting them to put away a monster society enabled.
 

KingofallMessicans

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Not to make this a racial thing, but the outpouring of support that Mj had from the black community disgusts me considering that he was more of a race trader than OJ, who they also supported. I guess it was ok, since most of the alleged vics were white.....
There is a strange phenomenon we minorities are sometimes guilty of. When one of "us" gets big, sometimes we over-value their celebrity as our celebrity. I have relatives that were "proud" George Lopez had a TV sitcom. They didn't care that it sucked, they felt a successful Hispanic American on TV was more important than the content. Their self-worth wasn't tied into the show being good, but simply that it existed and the brown-skinned dude was getting paid big bucks. So I'm not surprised it happens with MJ. He was arguably one of the greatest performers, and musicians of our time. To "lose" him, is tough. They probably aren't ready for the introspection necessary to get over putting value in the color of a person's skin.
 

JuliotheGreasiest

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There is a strange phenomenon we minorities are sometimes guilty of. When one of "us" gets big, sometimes we over-value their celebrity as our celebrity. I have relatives that were "proud" George Lopez had a TV sitcom. They didn't care that it sucked, they felt a successful Hispanic American on TV was more important than the content. Their self-worth wasn't tied into the show being good, but simply that it existed and the brown-skinned dude was getting paid big bucks. So I'm not surprised it happens with MJ. He was arguably one of the greatest performers, and musicians of our time. To "lose" him, is tough. They probably aren't ready for the introspection necessary to get over putting value in the color of a person's skin.
The regular cast of characters were there....Jesse Jackson, Weird Al Sharpton, et al
 

Honkey Donkey

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I was 8 when Star Wars came out and I also found out about James Bond at the same time. I always thought of Peter Pan as a "girl's" story. Now that I think about it, Peter Pan was never a "thing" with anyone that I knew growing up.

The whole thing is gross, imo.
Once Star Wars hit when I was 10 everything changed . No one gave a shit about anything but Star Wars
 

DeeStar

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I believe both of their stories. But what gets me are the parents, smiling and remembering how they shared in MJ's concert tours, stays at luxury hotels and didn't think it was the leasst bit peculiar that they were given hotel rooms on the other side of the hotel. Anyone continuing to defend this monster is really not wanting to deal with reality. If scores of women can come forward and MeToo the hell out of the likes of Weinstein, Kevin Spacey, etc..and be believed..then why not Michael Jackson? I mean, HELLO! We've all seen the bizarre film footage and photos of little boys accompanying him everywhere. No adult boyfriend, girlfriend, wife, etc..
 

Lex Dysic

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The regular cast of characters were there....Jesse Jackson, Weird Al Sharpton, et al
You better believe that if it were some peculiar, arrested developmental white pop star with an attraction to 8yo annually replaceable black boys, the same cacophany of irate Jackson defenders would be outraged and out for blood based on more specious, questionable evidence.
 

TracyLynn

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I believe both of their stories. But what gets me are the parents, smiling and remembering how they shared in MJ's concert tours, stays at luxury hotels and didn't think it was the leasst bit peculiar that they were given hotel rooms on the other side of the hotel. Anyone continuing to defend this monster is really not wanting to deal with reality. If scores of women can come forward and MeToo the hell out of the likes of Weinstein, Kevin Spacey, etc..and be believed..then why not Michael Jackson? I mean, HELLO! We've all seen the bizarre film footage and photos of little boys accompanying him everywhere. No adult boyfriend, girlfriend, wife, etc..
It disturbed me too when the women were laughing and smiling as they told their stories.

Did anyone here watch the Oprah special/interview they released after Leaving Neverland? Even if you’re not an Oprah fan, it’s a great follow up interview.

One of the guys said his mom screened the movie without watching the parts where he described exactly what Jackson did to him (sexually.) She said she couldn’t handle it.

While I understand it would upset her, I couldn’t help but think, your boy had to LIVE that. And you won’t even put yourself through hearing about it? I totally see why they both say they are only “on the road to forgiveness” with their mothers.
 

JuliotheGreasiest

An empty glass of himself shattered
It disturbed me too when the women were laughing and smiling as they told their stories.

Did anyone here watch the Oprah special/interview they released after Leaving Neverland? Even if you’re not an Oprah fan, it’s a great follow up interview.

One of the guys said his mom screened the movie without watching the parts where he described exactly what Jackson did to him (sexually.) She said she couldn’t handle it.

While I understand it would upset her, I couldn’t help but think, your boy had to LIVE that. And you won’t even put yourself through hearing about it? I totally see why they both say they are only “on the road to forgiveness” with their mothers.
the Jimmy guy looked totally mowed over by the attention. I felt horrible for both of them.
 
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It disturbed me too when the women were laughing and smiling as they told their stories.

Did anyone here watch the Oprah special/interview they released after Leaving Neverland? Even if you’re not an Oprah fan, it’s a great follow up interview.

One of the guys said his mom screened the movie without watching the parts where he described exactly what Jackson did to him (sexually.) She said she couldn’t handle it.

While I understand it would upset her, I couldn’t help but think, your boy had to LIVE that. And you won’t even put yourself through hearing about it? I totally see why they both say they are only “on the road to forgiveness” with their mothers.

Both mothers are awful and selfish, but Wade's mother is really a cold hearted person.
This woman left her husband who was having a mental health crisis to pimp her little boy out to Michael Jackson, traveling to another country to do so.
When her husband killed himself, she barely blinked, but when Michael Jackson died, she couldn't stop grieving and slept in one of his jackets for a month.
I'm a big believer in forgiveness, but I'd have a very hard time finding forgiveness for her. She is evil.
 
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